1 00:00:10,030 --> 00:00:07,090 the oldest and strongest human emotion 2 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:10,040 is fear and the oldest and strongest 3 00:00:17,499 --> 00:00:14,320 type of fear is trepidation of young 4 00:00:21,429 --> 00:00:17,509 when we were children our parents told 5 00:00:23,710 --> 00:00:21,439 us that monsters didn't exist but we 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:23,720 were sure that something is lurking 7 00:00:30,690 --> 00:00:26,330 under the better 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:30,700 beer seeds even if our eyes are closed 9 00:00:37,420 --> 00:00:33,770 welcome to the realm of your cane 10 00:00:40,270 --> 00:00:37,430 my name is lawn stripper join me as I 11 00:00:44,610 --> 00:00:40,280 examine unexplained creatures strange 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:44,620 manifestations and remarkable realities 13 00:00:51,220 --> 00:00:47,930 imagine this next hour as a voyage of 14 00:00:54,340 --> 00:00:51,230 discovery to strange lands seeking not 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:54,350 for new territory but for new knowledge 16 00:01:08,950 --> 00:00:57,410 of the supernatural come on board as we 17 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:08,960 begin this adventure together hey folks 18 00:01:12,910 --> 00:01:10,370 good evening and welcome to another 19 00:01:14,770 --> 00:01:12,920 episode of arcane radio where we explore 20 00:01:17,380 --> 00:01:14,780 the unexplained here on the paranormal 21 00:01:19,420 --> 00:01:17,390 King radio network I'm your host LAN 22 00:01:21,550 --> 00:01:19,430 Stricker coming to you with an a cannon 23 00:01:24,100 --> 00:01:21,560 shot of historic Gettysburg in the 24 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:24,110 cryptid mecca of Pennsylvania I thank 25 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:27,200 you for joining me now before we start 26 00:01:35,050 --> 00:01:31,510 with our guests I want to mention a new 27 00:01:38,590 --> 00:01:35,060 email' new case we got that came into US 28 00:01:41,050 --> 00:01:38,600 on August the 12th this past Monday I 29 00:01:42,730 --> 00:01:41,060 received an email and then a telephone 30 00:01:46,110 --> 00:01:42,740 call from a gentleman by name a mark 31 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:46,120 Hagen of South Shore ghostbusters in 32 00:01:51,670 --> 00:01:49,910 South Chicago he wanted to report a 33 00:01:54,010 --> 00:01:51,680 sighting with large wing humanoid in the 34 00:01:58,330 --> 00:01:54,020 Hammond Indiana area which occurred 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:01:58,340 August 2018 about a year ago now his 36 00:02:05,770 --> 00:02:03,650 statement was it was August 2018 my wife 37 00:02:08,410 --> 00:02:05,780 and I were driving south on Kalman 38 00:02:10,990 --> 00:02:08,420 Avenue and we were coming up to the red 39 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:11,000 light at 131st Street when we heard what 40 00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:14,510 sounded like leather rustling now this 41 00:02:19,509 --> 00:02:16,640 was in the evening we looked to the 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:19,519 retention pond on our left and saw a 43 00:02:26,170 --> 00:02:23,090 glowing something so glowing red that I 44 00:02:28,509 --> 00:02:26,180 am going to see more eyes and saw a 45 00:02:29,369 --> 00:02:28,519 large bat-like creature take to the 46 00:02:32,410 --> 00:02:29,379 skies 47 00:02:34,809 --> 00:02:32,420 it was dark-colored and easily had to be 48 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:34,819 six foot or more tall from what I can 49 00:02:40,180 --> 00:02:37,340 make out the wingspan was close to ten 50 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:40,190 foot or more about a week or so 51 00:02:45,010 --> 00:02:42,590 later driving with my colleague in south 52 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:45,020 shore ghostbusters this time we saw it 53 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:48,650 atop decline Avenue overpass like it was 54 00:02:54,270 --> 00:02:51,530 eating something we turned around only 55 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:54,280 to see it take off the skies once more 56 00:02:58,210 --> 00:02:56,810 now we've been investigating the error 57 00:03:00,640 --> 00:02:58,220 and found this particular creature 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:00,650 sticks close to the water now we have 59 00:03:05,020 --> 00:03:02,570 heard multiple counts of seeing red 60 00:03:08,070 --> 00:03:05,030 glowing lights over the waters of lost 61 00:03:11,170 --> 00:03:08,080 March since June or so of this year 62 00:03:12,910 --> 00:03:11,180 now Hagen also told me that he's very 63 00:03:15,220 --> 00:03:12,920 familiar with the water large waterfowl 64 00:03:16,510 --> 00:03:15,230 in the area and that this being was 65 00:03:19,270 --> 00:03:16,520 definitely not one of the indigenous 66 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:19,280 birds done to have the air around Lake 67 00:03:25,420 --> 00:03:23,690 Michigan the team of planners of 68 00:03:26,830 --> 00:03:25,430 monsters 14 team plans to go in the area 69 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:26,840 for further investigation 70 00:03:32,770 --> 00:03:30,040 now these sightings are very similar to 71 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:32,780 location description from a report in 72 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:37,370 July 2002 I first 2017 and that was over 73 00:03:43,930 --> 00:03:40,850 the Lord lost Marsh area there have been 74 00:03:46,180 --> 00:03:43,940 these red light red eye sightings of 75 00:03:50,620 --> 00:03:46,190 something that suddenly takes off into 76 00:03:53,170 --> 00:03:50,630 the air I talked to two residents in the 77 00:03:56,650 --> 00:03:53,180 Hammond Indiana area about a year and a 78 00:03:59,410 --> 00:03:56,660 half ago who were telling me that they 79 00:04:02,229 --> 00:03:59,420 noticed something that looked humanoid 80 00:04:06,190 --> 00:04:02,239 they had wings seemed to be feeding on 81 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:06,200 fish in the in the wetlands around that 82 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:08,930 area so we're going to be going back out 83 00:04:13,540 --> 00:04:11,510 in the field and looking at this area 84 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:13,550 once again hopefully we'll come up some 85 00:04:19,330 --> 00:04:17,090 more information so let's get right into 86 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:19,340 it tonight 87 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:21,890 I welcome anomalies investigator author 88 00:04:27,550 --> 00:04:24,770 and artist Linda Godfrey to RK and Rio 89 00:04:29,950 --> 00:04:27,560 now Linda has written 19 books on 90 00:04:32,380 --> 00:04:29,960 strange creatures phenomena and people 91 00:04:35,380 --> 00:04:32,390 as journalists she was the first to 92 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:35,390 break the story of a terrifying werewolf 93 00:04:40,930 --> 00:04:38,110 like monstrosity lurking in the shadows 94 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:40,940 shrouded forest around Elk Horn of 95 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:44,090 Wisconsin's Bray Road she's a frequent 96 00:04:48,779 --> 00:04:46,310 guest on national TV and radio shows 97 00:04:51,430 --> 00:04:48,789 including Master Quest Lost Tapes 98 00:04:52,780 --> 00:04:51,440 monsters and mysteries coast to coast am 99 00:04:55,330 --> 00:04:52,790 and many more 100 00:04:56,530 --> 00:04:55,340 Linda's most recent book is titled I 101 00:04:59,500 --> 00:04:56,540 know what I saw 102 00:05:03,490 --> 00:04:59,510 modern-day encounters with monsters of 103 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:03,500 new urban legend and ancient lore so 104 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:05,630 Linda thanks for joining me well thanks 105 00:05:11,890 --> 00:05:07,310 for having me always good to be on here 106 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:11,900 with you now this book you have talked 107 00:05:19,540 --> 00:05:14,330 or mentioned about a lot of different 108 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:19,550 types of cryptid beings but the one 109 00:05:23,140 --> 00:05:21,110 thing I did want to ask you about 110 00:05:25,030 --> 00:05:23,150 because this is a phenomena that I've 111 00:05:28,210 --> 00:05:25,040 been getting a lot of reports on lately 112 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:28,220 and people have been talking about and I 113 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:30,110 know these sightings do happen in your 114 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:31,310 neck of the woods 115 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:34,490 these Wendigo sightings what have you 116 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:38,930 been hearing about that well you know it 117 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:41,930 it's something that I always find a 118 00:05:45,490 --> 00:05:43,280 little bit confusing because the 119 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:45,500 descriptions of them vary so much and 120 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:49,220 especially if you go back into the the 121 00:05:54,790 --> 00:05:52,010 earliest Native American descriptions of 122 00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:54,800 them back in the 1600s and the first fur 123 00:06:00,360 --> 00:05:57,550 trappers and and priests were coming in 124 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:00,370 knotting the the indigenous peoples 125 00:06:07,630 --> 00:06:04,010 religious beliefs they were describing 126 00:06:09,460 --> 00:06:07,640 windigos as being a spirit thing that 127 00:06:12,220 --> 00:06:09,470 would take over a person who had tried 128 00:06:14,950 --> 00:06:12,230 cannibalism or they went in sight the 129 00:06:16,630 --> 00:06:14,960 person to try cannibalism and and then 130 00:06:18,340 --> 00:06:16,640 the thing would just grow and grow but 131 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:18,350 it would turn less and less human and 132 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:22,100 become thinner and actually eventually 133 00:06:26,470 --> 00:06:24,800 out of made out of pure ice and if 134 00:06:29,020 --> 00:06:26,480 anybody managed sometimes they would be 135 00:06:31,810 --> 00:06:29,030 22 feet tall by the way and if anybody 136 00:06:33,370 --> 00:06:31,820 managed to kill one it would melt down 137 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:33,380 and then they might find the shriveled 138 00:06:38,970 --> 00:06:36,050 body or just just the heart sometimes 139 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:38,980 well the person that did that so that 140 00:06:45,190 --> 00:06:43,370 was my original thought of what the 141 00:06:48,550 --> 00:06:45,200 windigos must be and that they were 142 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:48,560 hunger starvation related in mostly the 143 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:51,290 northern US and in Canada and that's 144 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:52,910 where a lot of these legends do come out 145 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:57,290 from but I think that the the definition 146 00:07:01,870 --> 00:06:59,210 has been sort of evolving and changing 147 00:07:04,450 --> 00:07:01,880 whereas now we're hearing about things 148 00:07:06,190 --> 00:07:04,460 that look more human-like the more human 149 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:06,200 sized 150 00:07:11,050 --> 00:07:08,810 they're more like taken over by a demon 151 00:07:13,660 --> 00:07:11,060 or something on that order in many of 152 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:13,670 the stories so it's it's something that 153 00:07:20,790 --> 00:07:15,650 has evolved and changed and I don't know 154 00:07:23,290 --> 00:07:20,800 if it's really all the same creature or 155 00:07:26,890 --> 00:07:23,300 you know I'm not sure about that yet 156 00:07:28,690 --> 00:07:26,900 yeah it's strange because you know over 157 00:07:31,950 --> 00:07:28,700 the last few years I've been getting a 158 00:07:36,130 --> 00:07:31,960 lot of these reports what people call a 159 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:36,140 flesh gate or a rake or something to 160 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:40,490 that effect kind of a thin the humanoid 161 00:07:45,610 --> 00:07:43,130 type being sometimes it kind of 162 00:07:47,130 --> 00:07:45,620 resembles a deer with large antlers 163 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:47,140 right 164 00:07:54,570 --> 00:07:51,590 you know I guess not a mother roid this 165 00:07:58,840 --> 00:07:54,580 described is the same but there's always 166 00:08:01,000 --> 00:07:58,850 something to do with cannibalism or you 167 00:08:02,860 --> 00:08:01,010 know recently I got a report a girl who 168 00:08:05,830 --> 00:08:02,870 was attacked out in Utah by something 169 00:08:08,110 --> 00:08:05,840 that and she was indigenous as well and 170 00:08:10,450 --> 00:08:08,120 she stated that this thing came back to 171 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:10,460 her and her dog so I don't know what 172 00:08:15,220 --> 00:08:11,750 people are seeing and we've been getting 173 00:08:16,690 --> 00:08:15,230 reports in Pennsylvania as well yeah and 174 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:16,700 I know there's a lot there's another 175 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:19,160 thin creature called the Albert which 176 00:08:22,150 --> 00:08:20,330 yeah 177 00:08:26,530 --> 00:08:22,160 that's another indigenous one I think 178 00:08:29,740 --> 00:08:26,540 it's from Pennsylvania area and the [\h__\h] 179 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:29,750 the Slenderman right is another one that 180 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:32,690 that that one doesn't have anything to 181 00:08:38,850 --> 00:08:36,290 do really with indigenous but a lot of 182 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:38,860 it is made up because it came from 183 00:08:45,970 --> 00:08:42,710 people writing into this horror writing 184 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:45,980 yeah creepy costume yeah but it's it's 185 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:48,410 sort of has become cemented into the 186 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:51,050 lore and gets lumped in with with as you 187 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:53,330 say the break and these other the hat 188 00:08:58,030 --> 00:08:55,730 man is another one shadow shadow man and 189 00:09:00,160 --> 00:08:58,040 the weird thing about that is it's sort 190 00:09:04,510 --> 00:09:00,170 of segwayed off I've been getting more 191 00:09:06,130 --> 00:09:04,520 and more stories about phantom dogs that 192 00:09:09,730 --> 00:09:06,140 are blood they're black dogs they have 193 00:09:11,410 --> 00:09:09,740 red eyes very large and when they turn 194 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:11,420 around the people see that they're two 195 00:09:16,660 --> 00:09:14,870 dimensional mm-hmm and that's really 196 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:16,670 unusual and they seem more related to 197 00:09:21,550 --> 00:09:18,529 like the Hat man 198 00:09:24,749 --> 00:09:21,560 that's often seen in silhouette you know 199 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:24,759 or these other things so it 200 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:27,410 it's like there's this whole basket of 201 00:09:33,189 --> 00:09:29,930 new stuff out there and yet it's old you 202 00:09:35,590 --> 00:09:33,199 know the yeah the the idea of flying 203 00:09:37,569 --> 00:09:35,600 things and skinny flying things goes 204 00:09:40,569 --> 00:09:37,579 back to vampires and from Jericho's 205 00:09:43,269 --> 00:09:40,579 farther back to like the the Pazuzu and 206 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:43,279 in the Sumerians so it's something 207 00:09:47,139 --> 00:09:44,930 that's been around for a long time and 208 00:09:48,429 --> 00:09:47,149 sometimes it has wings and some meant 209 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:48,439 most of them have wings that went 210 00:09:52,210 --> 00:09:49,850 especially when they're seen flying but 211 00:09:55,179 --> 00:09:52,220 it's a very different from the other 212 00:09:57,819 --> 00:09:55,189 large flying bird-like creatures that 213 00:10:00,819 --> 00:09:57,829 would probably more properly be called 214 00:10:05,049 --> 00:10:00,829 the the the Thunderbirds which would be 215 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:05,059 the giant Raptors core sometimes they 216 00:10:10,780 --> 00:10:07,850 look like giant giant storks they're not 217 00:10:12,309 --> 00:10:10,790 so way back when I will not way back 218 00:10:15,699 --> 00:10:12,319 five years ago probably when I was 219 00:10:17,949 --> 00:10:15,709 writing the American masters but it just 220 00:10:20,170 --> 00:10:17,959 and and I started doing more research I 221 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:20,180 was just flabbergasted and how many 222 00:10:25,420 --> 00:10:23,240 flying things there were you know and 223 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:25,430 there's still also the basketball and 224 00:10:29,439 --> 00:10:27,290 the bad Squatch which is my favorite 225 00:10:32,530 --> 00:10:29,449 Crypt as well as descriptive zoological 226 00:10:34,509 --> 00:10:32,540 name I think of all of them you know and 227 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:34,519 and I personally investigated one of 228 00:10:40,119 --> 00:10:36,889 those over by La Crosse Wisconsin was 229 00:10:42,129 --> 00:10:40,129 very much like the bad Squatch and this 230 00:10:43,780 --> 00:10:42,139 one did involve indigenous people and it 231 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:43,790 was flying at their truck windshield 232 00:10:47,139 --> 00:10:44,809 they thought it was going to hit them 233 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:47,149 and then like you were just discussing 234 00:10:53,019 --> 00:10:49,970 it's also similar it didn't just the 235 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:53,029 last second flip up words turned up 236 00:10:57,970 --> 00:10:55,490 sailed off screeching at this high high 237 00:11:00,340 --> 00:10:57,980 volume and both the men and the truck 238 00:11:03,340 --> 00:11:00,350 became sick they had to pull over some 239 00:11:06,069 --> 00:11:03,350 one of them can throw up sick for weeks 240 00:11:07,809 --> 00:11:06,079 and lacrosse happens to be you're 241 00:11:11,350 --> 00:11:07,819 talking about them being near water 242 00:11:13,299 --> 00:11:11,360 it's right on the Mississippi and it has 243 00:11:15,999 --> 00:11:13,309 part of the city is on this island 244 00:11:20,230 --> 00:11:16,009 French island and there's a powerful 245 00:11:22,569 --> 00:11:20,240 under the power plant there so and I've 246 00:11:23,379 --> 00:11:22,579 had and after the story ran about the 247 00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:23,389 first sighting 248 00:11:27,220 --> 00:11:25,069 I had reports from other people who 249 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:27,230 actually lived on on French island one 250 00:11:31,929 --> 00:11:28,610 of them was having a cigarette in his 251 00:11:34,839 --> 00:11:31,939 backyard and saw it on his kids swing so 252 00:11:36,809 --> 00:11:34,849 senator playset in the backyard if you 253 00:11:39,339 --> 00:11:36,819 just hang in there in the moonlight and 254 00:11:42,609 --> 00:11:39,349 another one had seen it out on his yard 255 00:11:45,549 --> 00:11:42,619 too so these things I believe are 256 00:11:48,009 --> 00:11:45,559 probably more widespread than we know 257 00:11:49,749 --> 00:11:48,019 and if just as people become aware and 258 00:11:51,729 --> 00:11:49,759 they know it is something they should 259 00:11:54,909 --> 00:11:51,739 report that we begin to realize there 260 00:11:58,599 --> 00:11:54,919 are more and more of them you are now 261 00:12:02,079 --> 00:11:58,609 you did write a bit about these canine 262 00:12:06,039 --> 00:12:02,089 type phantoms or other types of canines 263 00:12:07,079 --> 00:12:06,049 dier dier dogs and such you talked a bit 264 00:12:10,479 --> 00:12:07,089 about those 265 00:12:12,819 --> 00:12:10,489 yeah the dyer dog is something that's 266 00:12:17,019 --> 00:12:12,829 been a real interest to me for the past 267 00:12:18,789 --> 00:12:17,029 27 years because as soon as i did that 268 00:12:20,469 --> 00:12:18,799 story about the beast of Bray Road and 269 00:12:22,629 --> 00:12:20,479 it kind of went national and everybody 270 00:12:24,549 --> 00:12:22,639 was hearing about it I started getting 271 00:12:29,169 --> 00:12:24,559 all kinds of monster stories but 272 00:12:33,069 --> 00:12:29,179 particularly they were either a Bigfoot 273 00:12:34,719 --> 00:12:33,079 or they were some type of huge dog that 274 00:12:37,929 --> 00:12:34,729 wasn't on its hind legs you know it 275 00:12:40,389 --> 00:12:37,939 couldn't really be described as a dog 276 00:12:44,529 --> 00:12:40,399 man in my book because it was on all 277 00:12:46,119 --> 00:12:44,539 fours but they were so large that almost 278 00:12:48,429 --> 00:12:46,129 everybody who's ever reported them has 279 00:12:51,579 --> 00:12:48,439 compared them to either a miniature 280 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:51,589 horse a Shetland pony or a bull calf 281 00:12:55,989 --> 00:12:53,569 that's how big they are they're bigger 282 00:12:58,929 --> 00:12:55,999 than the biggest dogs and people would 283 00:13:00,909 --> 00:12:58,939 see them sometimes sitting and looking 284 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:00,919 mournfully at them from the side of the 285 00:13:05,229 --> 00:13:03,529 road and just they drive on by and and 286 00:13:07,809 --> 00:13:05,239 this thing would just be sitting there 287 00:13:12,489 --> 00:13:07,819 staring at the but more often it chases 288 00:13:14,619 --> 00:13:12,499 cars and it keeps up with the car or the 289 00:13:16,449 --> 00:13:14,629 truck or whatever it is and people will 290 00:13:19,210 --> 00:13:16,459 I hear this over and over and over again 291 00:13:21,489 --> 00:13:19,220 they'll say it was so tall that it's 292 00:13:24,819 --> 00:13:21,499 shoulders were even with the bottom of 293 00:13:27,909 --> 00:13:24,829 my driver's side window which is gonna 294 00:13:29,919 --> 00:13:27,919 put it shoulder height at over 36 inches 295 00:13:32,319 --> 00:13:29,929 probably and I think the biggest dog 296 00:13:34,779 --> 00:13:32,329 measurement is maybe 32 and the thing 297 00:13:36,909 --> 00:13:34,789 about it also was that not only were 298 00:13:38,319 --> 00:13:36,919 they they chasing these cars sometimes 299 00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:38,329 and they were trying to bump them off 300 00:13:43,629 --> 00:13:40,639 the road and in many cases they at least 301 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:43,639 make contact and I've had one not too 302 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:45,409 long ago where it did bump somebody off 303 00:13:48,090 --> 00:13:45,850 the road 304 00:13:49,950 --> 00:13:48,100 they managed to find out recover they 305 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:49,960 had a right kind of vehicle that you 306 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:51,760 kind of get back out of that ditch side 307 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:54,510 where they work the other thing is that 308 00:14:00,990 --> 00:13:58,930 they sometimes look more doglike they 309 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:01,000 might have slightly shorter ears then 310 00:14:07,050 --> 00:14:03,130 the dog men or the slightly shorter 311 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:07,060 muzzle and their head is universally 312 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:09,310 almost reported as being too big for the 313 00:14:16,110 --> 00:14:13,450 body and the big wide jaws and these 314 00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:16,120 reminded me more of the build of the 315 00:14:21,570 --> 00:14:18,880 dire wolves the dire wolf which we have 316 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:21,580 plenty of skeletons and remains to 317 00:14:26,730 --> 00:14:23,410 examine especially in Southern 318 00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:26,740 California also had these big choppers 319 00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,440 made to grind bone you know that was one 320 00:14:33,870 --> 00:14:31,360 of the main differences they were not 321 00:14:35,610 --> 00:14:33,880 all that much bigger than the good 322 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:35,620 science timber Wolf's that we have today 323 00:14:40,590 --> 00:14:38,140 there they weren't enormous in fact the 324 00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:40,600 ones that people are reporting to me now 325 00:14:45,510 --> 00:14:43,720 sound as big if not bigger than the 326 00:14:47,820 --> 00:14:45,520 actual de are wolves and I've been 327 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:47,830 keeping them you know year by year and 328 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:50,410 finally I had this stash of them that I 329 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:52,450 thought well I've put some of these in 330 00:14:57,270 --> 00:14:54,370 different places in the books where they 331 00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:57,280 seem to fit other categories but it 332 00:15:01,050 --> 00:14:59,680 seemed like it was time to admit that 333 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:01,060 yeah here was this whole classification 334 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:06,040 of these big big boned tall thick 335 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:10,690 thickly built four legged dog like 336 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:12,850 creatures that people still would notice 337 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:14,710 they say this was just no dog this is no 338 00:15:19,020 --> 00:15:17,530 ordinary dog and seem to me that since 339 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:19,030 they had kind of both the features of 340 00:15:24,420 --> 00:15:21,850 the direwolf and the big dogs that dire 341 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:24,430 dogs sounded like the right thing to 342 00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:27,100 call them and so I just I'll start out 343 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:28,540 with that and if people think it's 344 00:15:36,170 --> 00:15:30,910 appropriate you know and it sticks fine 345 00:15:39,180 --> 00:15:36,180 but this is one of the really creepiest 346 00:15:41,940 --> 00:15:39,190 categories I think because they're they 347 00:15:45,090 --> 00:15:41,950 are more combative they are more 348 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:45,100 aggressive I want to say then the 349 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:48,610 regular dog men which 90% of the time 350 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:50,170 unless you're getting stalked in the 351 00:15:53,730 --> 00:15:51,460 forest at night or something they're 352 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:53,740 going across the road you know they're 353 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:55,330 they're usually not attacking the cars 354 00:15:59,580 --> 00:15:58,210 or doing anything overtly really 355 00:16:01,560 --> 00:15:59,590 aggressive where these things 356 00:16:03,810 --> 00:16:01,570 desire it's like they want to get you 357 00:16:05,370 --> 00:16:03,820 off-the-road and see what they can do do 358 00:16:07,770 --> 00:16:05,380 with you it's what people think and it 359 00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:07,780 does it scares people more and then just 360 00:16:10,830 --> 00:16:09,160 seeing one from the safety of their car 361 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:10,840 when the animal is actually trying to 362 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:15,250 get you off the road you know I had a 363 00:16:21,330 --> 00:16:19,270 out of report last year from a hunter 364 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:21,340 here in Pennsylvania near the Tuscarora 365 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:25,450 State Park and you know Butch and I have 366 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:28,770 been looking into the upright canine and 367 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:32,050 this thing he saw was on four legs 368 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:37,330 quadruped ed but it was huge and he was 369 00:16:41,130 --> 00:16:38,770 up in his tree it was up in his deer 370 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:41,140 stand and he saw this thing he saw two 371 00:16:49,530 --> 00:16:45,310 of them running across the field after a 372 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:49,540 deer and he sat there and he lost sight 373 00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:51,430 of it then a couple of minutes later 374 00:16:58,260 --> 00:16:54,160 this thing started coming towards him 375 00:17:02,460 --> 00:16:58,270 and he was looking out over a field from 376 00:17:07,050 --> 00:17:02,470 the edge of the woods and this quadruped 377 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:07,060 ed walked up to his you know - like 50 378 00:17:14,190 --> 00:17:09,310 yards in front of his deer stand and 379 00:17:16,860 --> 00:17:14,200 just sat and he said I swear this thing 380 00:17:19,770 --> 00:17:16,870 had the head of a wolf it was huge 381 00:17:23,010 --> 00:17:19,780 bigger than a wolf and it actually had a 382 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:23,020 sloping back like that of a hyena yes 383 00:17:29,180 --> 00:17:25,090 that's another thing they report exactly 384 00:17:33,780 --> 00:17:29,190 I Wow yeah and he said it's sat there 385 00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,790 for a long time just looking at him and 386 00:17:37,620 --> 00:17:35,200 he said you know I was afraid to take a 387 00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:37,630 shot at it because I don't you know you 388 00:17:41,580 --> 00:17:39,520 eat something you don't know what it is 389 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:41,590 you know I hear that all the time of 390 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:43,660 these people that that walk up onto 391 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:45,850 these upright canines there there's 392 00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:48,850 these things are so big and they're you 393 00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:50,830 know it's like they've you know 394 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:52,840 something's telling that do not take a 395 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:54,250 shot at this thing even when they're 396 00:17:59,310 --> 00:17:57,520 armed so the fact of it sitting there 397 00:18:01,290 --> 00:17:59,320 like that it's really a different 398 00:18:02,850 --> 00:18:01,300 behavior than the regular dog man yeah 399 00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:02,860 just get out of sight 400 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:04,240 you know it'll run off into whatever 401 00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:05,890 cover there is if it's think if it 402 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:07,750 thinks you're really staring at this one 403 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:11,290 sort of invites being stared at it it's 404 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:12,330 like it kind of wild 405 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:14,370 that what what I recall that always gave 406 00:18:18,350 --> 00:18:16,260 me the shivers was from a school bus 407 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:18,360 driver who was going up a hill and this 408 00:18:23,539 --> 00:18:21,120 one was sitting with the Sun Sun kind of 409 00:18:25,820 --> 00:18:23,549 setting lighting up its face and just 410 00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:25,830 looking at her going past with this 411 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:28,500 school bus as it as she went slowly up 412 00:18:32,419 --> 00:18:30,750 the hill and it just sat there looking 413 00:18:33,639 --> 00:18:32,429 and looking and looking as if you know 414 00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:33,649 you just wonder what they're thinking 415 00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:37,980 mm-hmm I have the I had a report given 416 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:40,980 to me by some guy who does investigate 417 00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:44,850 sightings for me down in Alabama and he 418 00:18:50,629 --> 00:18:46,980 he there's south of Birmingham he was 419 00:18:54,850 --> 00:18:50,639 telling me that a friend of his was out 420 00:18:58,009 --> 00:18:54,860 one early evening of still light up and 421 00:19:01,070 --> 00:18:58,019 they were driving a you know these large 422 00:19:03,259 --> 00:19:01,080 Escalades and his wife was driving and 423 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:03,269 his his mother-in-law was in the front 424 00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:05,970 seat and that he was in the back and 425 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:09,960 they were driving down the road and this 426 00:19:16,909 --> 00:19:13,370 something huge with large yellow eyes 427 00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:16,919 was in the right right lane it was a 428 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:20,220 two-lane road and they slowed up and as 429 00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:22,730 they got closer to it it was a huge 430 00:19:30,580 --> 00:19:27,000 canine that was sitting on the right 431 00:19:34,399 --> 00:19:30,590 lane of this road large yellow eyes and 432 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:34,409 the guy swore they had to slow up and go 433 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:37,769 past this thing he swore that it's 434 00:19:44,930 --> 00:19:41,010 shoulders were at the level of the side 435 00:19:48,110 --> 00:19:44,940 mirrors of this Escalade exactly that's 436 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:48,120 our huge canine it is it is well think 437 00:19:52,639 --> 00:19:50,460 of a canine the size about Shetland pony 438 00:19:55,580 --> 00:19:52,649 you know and that that's what they're 439 00:19:58,700 --> 00:19:55,590 all saying yeah it's not the same it 440 00:20:01,159 --> 00:19:58,710 doesn't behave the same as the man 441 00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,169 wolves or wolf men or or dog men 442 00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:03,600 whatever you want to call it does it's 443 00:20:08,269 --> 00:20:06,240 it's much thicker much heavier if the 444 00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:08,279 jaws are more noticeable even if it has 445 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:11,460 the wolf type head and yeah it's it's 446 00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:15,210 like a new entity into itself Wow 447 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:16,860 do you think these things are indigenous 448 00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:18,809 do you think they're flesh and blood or 449 00:20:25,580 --> 00:20:22,980 did spirit well so far you know they 450 00:20:28,850 --> 00:20:25,590 seem to be really 451 00:20:30,740 --> 00:20:28,860 not at all afraid of making physical 452 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:30,750 contact and they can make a heavy 453 00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:34,080 physical contact right they can leave 454 00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:36,360 tracks people have seen the big tracks 455 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:39,960 but it's it's really hard they don't so 456 00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:41,809 they don't seem like they should be 457 00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:43,980 spirits but on the other hand they're 458 00:20:49,610 --> 00:20:46,799 really weird yeah when they're when they 459 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:49,620 look completely doglike and actually my 460 00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:52,289 one thought is that perhaps in Canada 461 00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:57,000 there are pockets of say I mean ten 462 00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,890 thousand years is not a long time for 463 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:00,720 the direwolf's to have been extinct and 464 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:02,850 they're not to be a small pocket of them 465 00:21:07,399 --> 00:21:05,190 somewhere up and I mean Alaska's huge 466 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:07,409 Canada's huge somewhere up there who is 467 00:21:12,049 --> 00:21:08,820 to say that there isn't a pocket and 468 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:12,059 that if they interbred with some of the 469 00:21:18,049 --> 00:21:16,049 large huge mounds that humans have bred 470 00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:18,059 that maybe you would get something like 471 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:20,340 something like this and right generally 472 00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:22,230 when you when you put two clothes they 473 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,460 well they would still be dogs they're 474 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,200 not really different species but when 475 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:28,080 you when you put two unlike animals 476 00:21:32,899 --> 00:21:30,690 together if they can breed the offspring 477 00:21:34,909 --> 00:21:32,909 will often be larger still than the 478 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:34,919 parents kind of like the liger 479 00:21:40,909 --> 00:21:38,010 you know right well you know that that's 480 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:40,919 like the coywolf that is so prevalent up 481 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:43,470 in Canada and you know these things have 482 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:45,480 been moving south we were actually 483 00:21:51,769 --> 00:21:49,049 seeing it in Pennsylvania and you know 484 00:21:56,049 --> 00:21:51,779 the course of Lourdes they're a mix 485 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:56,059 between a Timberwolf and a and a coyote 486 00:22:02,950 --> 00:21:58,770 and of course the coyotes have been here 487 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:02,960 for the past couple of decades now and 488 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:06,090 these things are the kind of lanky but 489 00:22:11,269 --> 00:22:09,750 they're big right I know I have a friend 490 00:22:13,220 --> 00:22:11,279 who lives up in Toronto and he was 491 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:13,230 telling me they've been having trouble 492 00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:15,330 up there for over a decade now with 493 00:22:19,820 --> 00:22:18,179 these things in the outskirts of Toronto 494 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:19,830 so apparently they're making their way 495 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:21,570 down through New York and down into 496 00:22:25,460 --> 00:22:23,250 Pennsylvania I don't know if you're 497 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,470 getting the sightings where you are at 498 00:22:30,139 --> 00:22:27,840 all yeah oh yeah yeah they're pretty 499 00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,149 much all over all right yeah they're 500 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:32,159 they've been moving eastward for a while 501 00:22:36,860 --> 00:22:34,770 so if you can get you know an inter 502 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:36,870 breeding like that which sticks well 503 00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,670 then 504 00:22:41,950 --> 00:22:39,440 you know whiteness with the heat with 505 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:41,960 the huge size and and they also have 506 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:44,330 that the dier dier dogs off also have 507 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:46,850 this sort of rough on the back of their 508 00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:49,460 necks oftentimes not always but it's 509 00:22:56,169 --> 00:22:54,350 pretty common feature unusual yeah I 510 00:22:58,330 --> 00:22:56,179 mean when I started getting these 511 00:23:00,370 --> 00:22:58,340 reports of these quadrupeds that just 512 00:23:02,410 --> 00:23:00,380 look like I mean bigger than a regular 513 00:23:05,530 --> 00:23:02,420 wolf it's like you gotta start wondering 514 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:05,540 what are people seeing out there yeah 515 00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:08,330 but you know down in like down in 516 00:23:13,659 --> 00:23:09,710 Alabama I've been getting a lot of 517 00:23:16,539 --> 00:23:13,669 reports in turnaround north south and 518 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:16,549 west of Birmingham I don't know what 519 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:18,890 people are seeing but we're getting 520 00:23:26,049 --> 00:23:21,410 consistent sightings I've had four 521 00:23:28,110 --> 00:23:26,059 sightings within the past year and I I 522 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:28,120 don't know what they've got down there 523 00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:32,210 but I don't know now something else you 524 00:23:39,580 --> 00:23:34,910 mentioned in your book where the the big 525 00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:39,590 cats and of course we all know you know 526 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:42,260 even though the State Game Commission's 527 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:44,330 officially don't want to recognize these 528 00:23:50,740 --> 00:23:47,890 things but they're out there right oh 529 00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:50,750 yeah and they're coming eastward again 530 00:23:55,419 --> 00:23:53,480 you know there was this huge campaign to 531 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:55,429 wipe them all out especially the 532 00:23:59,380 --> 00:23:56,330 mountain lions 533 00:24:03,159 --> 00:23:59,390 back around the 1900s and by nineteen 534 00:24:05,890 --> 00:24:03,169 the the early 1930s or before they'd 535 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:05,900 been pretty much exterminated everybody 536 00:24:10,299 --> 00:24:08,450 thought in almost every state I believe 537 00:24:13,780 --> 00:24:10,309 that they had pockets where they could 538 00:24:17,650 --> 00:24:13,790 hide out too but I started thinking 539 00:24:19,870 --> 00:24:17,660 about it more when a newspaper reporter 540 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:19,880 and former editor of a paper in 541 00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:23,210 Hillsboro Wisconsin wrote me saying he 542 00:24:30,580 --> 00:24:26,660 had personally interviewed over 150 543 00:24:33,340 --> 00:24:30,590 people in an 18 mile radius which is not 544 00:24:36,460 --> 00:24:33,350 a very big territory from Hillsboro 545 00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,470 Wisconsin and the surrounding really 546 00:24:40,990 --> 00:24:38,720 rugged interesting territory where the 547 00:24:43,810 --> 00:24:41,000 glacier the glacier forgot to go and 548 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:43,820 that a hundred fifty of them and that he 549 00:24:48,730 --> 00:24:45,710 said well over fifty percent were black 550 00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:48,740 or melanistic and never heard mountain 551 00:24:53,780 --> 00:24:51,390 lions are not supposed to exist 552 00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:53,790 they are said to be impossible because 553 00:25:01,100 --> 00:24:56,840 they're too far apart on the feline 554 00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:01,110 family tree and yet where would they all 555 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:03,179 come from it is possible that some of 556 00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,190 them interbred with Jaguars can be 557 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:10,559 melanistic you know and it gets into 558 00:25:13,910 --> 00:25:12,210 kind of lungs it's explained pretty well 559 00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:13,920 in the book I won't get into all of that 560 00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:16,620 but that's what this gentleman is name 561 00:25:23,299 --> 00:25:19,860 is Steve Stanek had done it I have got a 562 00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:23,309 lot of work on it and and I give him 563 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:25,740 much all of the credit for finding these 564 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:28,890 things but talking to these people you 565 00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,130 know we my husband and my son and I 566 00:25:35,299 --> 00:25:33,840 decided to form a little film company of 567 00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:35,309 our own and just make a little 568 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:37,740 documentary because these people are so 569 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:39,570 sincere and some of them are just 570 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:41,730 incredibly qualified we have one woman 571 00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,130 who has several doctorates and she was 572 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:46,559 an associate with the Florida panther 573 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:48,390 project where they were bringing back 574 00:25:52,580 --> 00:25:50,850 the Florida Panthers so and she knows 575 00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:52,590 them she said I saw this pure black one 576 00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:54,600 sitting right in front of my car and I 577 00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:58,049 feel very qualified to say that this was 578 00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:00,120 like a black mountain lion I called she 579 00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:02,580 said I called it the black panther and 580 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:06,179 so this seems like the the even bigger 581 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:08,510 secret that they don't want to get out 582 00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:10,890 not only do they not want to talk about 583 00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:12,660 the actual mountain lions being there in 584 00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:15,150 such huge numbers even though everybody 585 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:16,679 and their brother practically if you 586 00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:20,130 imagine this is a tiny tiny area of the 587 00:26:26,150 --> 00:26:24,150 state and not heavily populated so when 588 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:26,160 you have that many sightings and Stanek 589 00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:27,750 thinks that there probably took twice 590 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:29,400 that many easily just from people who 591 00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:31,530 won't talk you're talking about a giant 592 00:26:37,159 --> 00:26:35,340 portion of the whole area that have seen 593 00:26:39,020 --> 00:26:37,169 them and it's getting there used to be a 594 00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:39,030 really bad stigma now people are getting 595 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:42,120 dramas want to be members of the club so 596 00:26:47,049 --> 00:26:44,910 to speak and the last and it's still 597 00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:47,059 happening the latest one we had was 598 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:51,000 early March of this year and one of the 599 00:26:55,220 --> 00:26:52,710 town barbers was standing out on his 600 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,230 back porch and saw a rather large 601 00:27:00,440 --> 00:26:57,360 specimen of what looked like a black 602 00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,450 mountain lion just coolly parading 603 00:27:04,220 --> 00:27:02,220 through his backyard as if it knew right 604 00:27:04,910 --> 00:27:04,230 where it was going and it went behind us 605 00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:04,920 out in some 606 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:07,140 I lost track of it and I've been going 607 00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:09,930 up there periodically with my own trail 608 00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,390 cam and setting it we did get a 609 00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:14,880 wonderful shot black house cat but you 610 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:17,070 can tell it's good to have something 611 00:27:20,780 --> 00:27:18,810 like that to compare it against right 612 00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:20,790 you know then then you know so we're 613 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:23,430 still trying to get a shot because then 614 00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:25,530 he found out that his neighbor his 615 00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:27,750 next-door neighbor had had two sightings 616 00:27:33,050 --> 00:27:30,270 of it hmm 617 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:33,060 so you know it's just it's really a big 618 00:27:39,620 --> 00:27:36,570 mystery and you know it's it's a mystery 619 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:39,630 also as to why it's supposed to be kept 620 00:27:45,650 --> 00:27:42,450 so quiet one person when a member of 621 00:27:48,530 --> 00:27:45,660 local well just say a local official 622 00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:48,540 found out that she had been in her film 623 00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:52,740 talking about seeing a mother mountain 624 00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:55,380 lion and a kitten with her which makes 625 00:28:00,440 --> 00:27:58,020 it a breeding population which gets them 626 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:00,450 into a whole nother thing said if she 627 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:02,910 let that be shown she would not have a 628 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:06,450 future in law enforcement what the 629 00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,310 person was half the person was having a 630 00:28:12,770 --> 00:28:10,740 ride along be because that was their 631 00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:12,780 goal was to be in law enforcement 632 00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,720 she just happened to see this and yeah 633 00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:17,520 so so we're getting threats to people 634 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:21,840 right well now you know what happened 635 00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:23,640 over in great britain when they you know 636 00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:25,710 people started releasing their exotic 637 00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:28,140 cats and then they started breeding over 638 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,840 there you think maybe that might be 639 00:28:36,170 --> 00:28:32,880 what's going on here to some degree that 640 00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:36,180 some of these these I don't know the 641 00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:37,830 breeders of people who kept these things 642 00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:40,590 as pets that kind of escaped I mean I 643 00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:43,800 know in Ohio there were Laura a very 644 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:46,980 decent sized number of big cat escapes 645 00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:49,320 do you think that might be a possibility 646 00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:52,440 I do think that play some part of it I 647 00:28:58,930 --> 00:28:55,680 really do because Wisconsin has always 648 00:29:01,040 --> 00:28:58,940 been a circus state okay had a lot of 649 00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:01,050 overwintering communities that are 650 00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:04,620 overwintering for places for circuses or 651 00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:07,220 that they were overwintering places and 652 00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:12,870 I even actually have a historic write-up 653 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:15,720 of one of the early circuses Hall's 654 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:18,450 Circus which wintered in Evin 655 00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:21,330 still Wisconsin not well I know maybe 656 00:29:25,550 --> 00:29:23,480 maybe two or three hours away from 657 00:29:28,550 --> 00:29:25,560 Hillsboro but that's nothing for a big 658 00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:28,560 cat but they were told of one of the 659 00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:32,700 leopards escaping from its cage and it 660 00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:35,940 went up a tree and actually they had a 661 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:37,710 small Posse to come and shut it and 662 00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,330 shoot it down and it still mauled 663 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:42,240 somebody really badly on its way out as 664 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:44,490 it was falling out of the tree that's 665 00:29:49,790 --> 00:29:47,010 just one example there there really are 666 00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:49,800 plenty more today where people are 667 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:51,900 taking these things as pets finding 668 00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,720 finding out they can't handle them and 669 00:29:59,390 --> 00:29:56,880 then they end up if they're lucky at a 670 00:30:02,570 --> 00:29:59,400 big animal shelter there's two of them 671 00:30:03,890 --> 00:30:02,580 that I visited myself and we've talked 672 00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:03,900 to the people one of them displays a 673 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,790 Siberian tiger that ate half of its 674 00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:08,640 owner because I'm eating it properly 675 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:11,280 yeah so you can understand they get 676 00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:13,700 hungry and they start seeing other cases 677 00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:16,200 but yeah I do think that though that 678 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,590 probably blends into the mix mm-hmm and 679 00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:22,080 makes you know every once in a while a 680 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:24,750 new individual will appear and maybe it 681 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:26,610 is something that is already melanistic 682 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:29,210 there there seems to be a fair number of 683 00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:32,640 black leopards on display is in some of 684 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:35,820 these and yeah we have we have an owner 685 00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:38,490 of one of the big cats shelters not too 686 00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:41,100 far from Baraboo who really tells it 687 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:45,270 like it is in this film and it's it's 688 00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:47,910 pretty interesting and inspiring what 689 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:51,870 goes on but somehow how wherever they 690 00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,010 can whether they came from zoos or pet 691 00:31:00,530 --> 00:30:58,140 owners who got tired of them or couldn't 692 00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:00,540 keep them in captivity properly or 693 00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:05,430 whatever or they're coming up from the 694 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:08,340 western side of the US with either black 695 00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:10,890 jaguars or mixed already with the black 696 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:14,520 jaguars there or if s TV static thinks 697 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:16,650 they were already up around Hillsboro 698 00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:19,650 and maybe one or two black jaguars got 699 00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:21,000 thrown in with their mix there are a lot 700 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:23,460 of different ways that could happen but 701 00:31:29,390 --> 00:31:26,610 somehow it all ends up with this melting 702 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:29,400 pot of mountain lions or Panther like 703 00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:32,810 creatures in this very small area 704 00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,280 yeah you know there has been talk about 705 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:37,200 mountain lions here in Pennsylvania for 706 00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,310 many many years in fact I actually saw 707 00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:43,320 it when I lived in Maryland I actually 708 00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:48,480 saw one in 84 I saw one going across the 709 00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:52,830 road a country road walk right in front 710 00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:55,140 of me I mean this cat was so big I mean 711 00:32:02,360 --> 00:31:56,760 it's table as long as as long as the cat 712 00:32:05,030 --> 00:32:02,370 that's how they are oh it was tan yeah 713 00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:05,040 it was tan and that's not the first one 714 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:07,230 I heard about in the area now that was 715 00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:11,490 back in 83 so you know that was before 716 00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:13,950 the Coyotes even started making the way 717 00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:16,620 east so I don't know where that one came 718 00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:20,220 from but we also had some sightings of 719 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:25,320 melanistic cats as well and that was 720 00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:27,690 back in the eighties in around the area 721 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:30,060 where I lived that so who knows 722 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:32,250 they're so stealthy you know when I 723 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:34,050 started researching them I was seeing 724 00:32:39,050 --> 00:32:36,930 articles scientific journal articles 725 00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:39,060 that were calling them ghost cats okay 726 00:32:43,550 --> 00:32:41,700 cat wow you know what I look and I find 727 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:43,560 out that it's actually the scientist 728 00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:45,570 nickname for them because they act like 729 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:47,700 ghosts they're you know once one second 730 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:49,290 you see him the next you don't and it's 731 00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:51,210 not that they're literally vanishing 732 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:53,310 they're just so easy to blend in with 733 00:32:59,720 --> 00:32:57,530 the landscape and so furtive and and 734 00:33:03,110 --> 00:32:59,730 able to just sneak around because 735 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:03,120 surprise is a big part their prey method 736 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:05,610 they depend on being able to surprise a 737 00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:09,210 prey get it in the neck bite it and stop 738 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:11,670 it from struggling immediately that's 739 00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:13,290 that's how they're trying to do it and 740 00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:15,780 so they're so they call them ghost cats 741 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:20,190 but it just refers to their way of 742 00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:22,260 getting around so you're very lucky my 743 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:24,180 husband was actually stalked by one in 744 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:27,290 our own backyard is that right that was 745 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:30,810 really scary yeah it was about six or 746 00:33:34,550 --> 00:33:32,970 seven years ago and it was the same year 747 00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:34,560 that one came through and got all the 748 00:33:38,150 --> 00:33:36,900 way up to Connecticut from the duck they 749 00:33:40,790 --> 00:33:38,160 come from the Black Hills through 750 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:40,800 Minnesota and then around through 751 00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:42,930 southern Wisconsin and keep heading on 752 00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,900 the the Great Lakes path 753 00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:48,480 and it was nighttime and we had we were 754 00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:50,940 living until about two years ago right 755 00:33:56,030 --> 00:33:52,500 on the edge of the Kettle Moraine state 756 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:56,040 state for us which is drop-offs and we 757 00:33:59,900 --> 00:33:58,050 had one of those on one side of our yard 758 00:34:01,910 --> 00:33:59,910 we had like an acre there's a steep 759 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:01,920 drop-off on one side and on the back and 760 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:03,570 he kept his boat back there it was 761 00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:05,490 nighttime it was fall he wanted to go 762 00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:07,680 back and look at his boat he's raised as 763 00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:09,899 a farm boy did not take his flashlight 764 00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:12,780 with him so he gets out there almost to 765 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:15,240 the boat and here's this unmistakable 766 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:18,510 can't yell you know just not really 767 00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:20,130 Aurora it's that kind of yell and he 768 00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:22,500 knew what it was and almost instantly 769 00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:24,300 hear this thunk and it was three feet 770 00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:27,000 from it had jumped it bounded it might 771 00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:30,120 even have been on his boat and jumped 772 00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:32,630 off of that and he had to walk backwards 773 00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:36,870 through that whole yard trying not like 774 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:39,480 if he had stumbled and fallen back and 775 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:41,850 it was pacing him three feet away from 776 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:43,290 in front of him he was picking and 777 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:45,960 yelling and what was I doing I was in my 778 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:48,090 house in our house with the headphones 779 00:34:53,899 --> 00:34:51,690 on doing a show just like shorts and I 780 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:53,909 could not I could not hear him yelling 781 00:34:59,240 --> 00:34:56,970 or screaming and luckily when he made it 782 00:35:01,790 --> 00:34:59,250 to where the deck started he stepped up 783 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:01,800 on the deck and then the thing just 784 00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:04,110 turned and went down into the drop-off 785 00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,660 and but he saw it again the next morning 786 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:08,640 when he went to church or not to church 787 00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:12,570 we went just to work it was at a bend in 788 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:13,980 the road where there's a cornfield that 789 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:15,690 came out of the cornfield and stood 790 00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:17,130 there and just looked at him like oh I 791 00:35:21,980 --> 00:35:18,480 almost had you last night 792 00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:21,990 was his feeling he's I've never seen him 793 00:35:27,830 --> 00:35:24,300 so white-faced though he's just I went 794 00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:27,840 and I came out of my office and he was 795 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:29,940 you know looking like his face had been 796 00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:32,010 drained and two of our neighbors on 797 00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:33,750 different ends of the road also saw it 798 00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:37,980 so it wasn't his imagination it makes 799 00:35:42,590 --> 00:35:40,740 you wonder I mean you know it gets a 800 00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:42,600 little scarier now than I used to be the 801 00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:43,760 garden in the woods 802 00:35:48,590 --> 00:35:47,070 be honest with you because I knew when I 803 00:35:51,020 --> 00:35:48,600 was a kid that was nothing me to go out 804 00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:51,030 there you know go hunting by myself and 805 00:35:55,340 --> 00:35:53,100 such but I would think twice better now 806 00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:55,350 we never saw deer when I was a kid I 807 00:36:00,140 --> 00:35:58,710 mean if you saw a deer it was yeah there 808 00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,150 another thing you know the deer 809 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:02,240 population in the United States 810 00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:05,609 particularly east of the Mississippi has 811 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:08,640 simply exploded in the last 20 or 30 812 00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:11,910 years yes and I think it's kind of 813 00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:15,420 drawing a lot of these cats and whatever 814 00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:18,150 towards the east right because they will 815 00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:21,150 go wherever there's food right or the 816 00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:22,680 Manette's that's their favorite thing 817 00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:24,180 you know it's what they're they're 818 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:27,540 really built to to get and and of course 819 00:36:31,070 --> 00:36:28,770 they've brought the curse of the deer 820 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:31,080 tick and Lyme's disease with it don't 821 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:34,890 tell me about that but you know if it 822 00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:36,810 really makes the whole argument it 823 00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:38,310 should we not want these creatures 824 00:36:42,260 --> 00:36:40,200 around because they can eat our dogs and 825 00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,270 we're unsafe and you know scare us in 826 00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:44,640 our own backyard or should we should we 827 00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:46,200 be glad they're here so they're eating 828 00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:49,800 the deer and you know the ecosystem is 829 00:36:55,579 --> 00:36:52,560 remaining viable and not producing all 830 00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:55,589 these the unwanted plants that and and 831 00:37:03,109 --> 00:36:57,420 the unwanted insects like the deer tick 832 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:03,119 right I don't know I you know I look 833 00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:04,770 down like I said I had lived down in 834 00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:07,619 Maryland for about for about 40 years 835 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:10,500 and I was you know I was near Baltimore 836 00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:13,530 and when I first moved down there in the 837 00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,750 70s the deer population was nothing I 838 00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:21,599 mean not even near to what it was I mean 839 00:37:27,859 --> 00:37:24,300 it is now I mean it just simply exploded 840 00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:27,869 and it's like that everywhere even here 841 00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:30,060 in Pennsylvania I know there's many many 842 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:34,440 more deer than it ever has been I don't 843 00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:36,089 know if it's conservation with the 844 00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,900 reason why but now all of a sudden you 845 00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:41,520 know we hear all these cryptid sightings 846 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:43,619 all kinds of weird things that have 847 00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:46,170 never been well you know rarely talked 848 00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:49,680 about before and you know so I don't 849 00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:54,780 know it's very interesting and it also 850 00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:56,820 makes you know it leads me back to maybe 851 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:00,000 that's why these giant dire dogs are 852 00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,310 being lured down from the northern 853 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:04,560 climates because although it's getting 854 00:38:12,350 --> 00:38:07,130 warmer up there in many places too but 855 00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,360 there's their noses are bit by 856 00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,640 bit by bit leading them to these big 857 00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:16,680 deer herds we had one when we were 858 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,030 living at that house there was one herd 859 00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:19,920 that ran around that had at least thirty 860 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:23,280 deer in it you know there and and 861 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:24,570 they're very destructive they eat all 862 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:28,050 the flowers you plant and oh sure how 863 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:29,610 they were they were pretty much just out 864 00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:34,770 of control so that's always a big 865 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:37,230 controversy too whenever you have these 866 00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:40,650 animals but it it always has made it 867 00:38:47,230 --> 00:38:44,220 more plausible for me to think that when 868 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:47,240 the deer probably were originally fairly 869 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:50,490 plentiful when it was all prairies here 870 00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:53,730 all the Prairie States had these acres 871 00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:56,280 and acres billions of acres of four to 872 00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:58,500 five to six foot tall different prairie 873 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:01,380 grasses and that's why I got my original 874 00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:04,500 indigenous dog man idea for trying to 875 00:39:09,590 --> 00:39:06,300 figure out a logical reason why things 876 00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:09,600 that looked like wolves would be walking 877 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:11,220 on their hind legs and it would 878 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:13,290 definitely give you an advantage if you 879 00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:16,650 could stand on your hind legs and run 880 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:18,630 that way because you could see the deer 881 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:22,290 coming towards you so I that's just it's 882 00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:24,570 maybe fanciful imagination on my part 883 00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:26,760 but most things with animals are food 884 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:30,270 driven yeah they need food they want 885 00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:32,370 they'll adapt themselves to just about 886 00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:35,520 anything to get the food and so I don't 887 00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:37,500 think it's an unreasonable way to look 888 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:41,430 at it another thing I was looking at the 889 00:39:46,820 --> 00:39:44,130 chat and somebody was mentioning elk and 890 00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:46,830 Yelp population this state has grown as 891 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:50,960 well black bear as well I mean you know 892 00:39:59,540 --> 00:39:55,410 all these species for whatever reason 893 00:40:02,290 --> 00:39:59,550 are just starting to thrive as opposed 894 00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:02,300 to what they used to be like so 895 00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,710 invariably you think they would draw big 896 00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:07,440 predators right and I don't know if you 897 00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:09,510 saw there's a newest article just a day 898 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:12,510 or two ago where a family camping in a 899 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:15,840 tent in northern Minnesota had a wolf 900 00:40:21,110 --> 00:40:19,410 stick its head into their tent now there 901 00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:21,120 was no way to find out if it had walked 902 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:23,160 up to the mountain sign likes so you 903 00:40:27,769 --> 00:40:25,650 wouldn't know if it was a dog man or 904 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:27,779 or something else but it did something 905 00:40:32,269 --> 00:40:29,670 that wolves has said not to ever do 906 00:40:34,329 --> 00:40:32,279 which is that it attacked into these 907 00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:34,339 people who were in their tent and 908 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:38,279 actually I think it clamped onto the 909 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:40,130 head of an 11 year old boy 910 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:42,930 left some you know he needed a lot of 911 00:40:48,049 --> 00:40:45,650 stitches to get it fixed but he was okay 912 00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,059 thank goodness but father was able to 913 00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:51,119 kind of beat him around the wolf around 914 00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:53,430 the head and get him to withdraw from 915 00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:57,180 the tent but you know things that 916 00:41:02,029 --> 00:40:59,579 animals aren't supposed to do doesn't 917 00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,039 mean they never do them and it says 918 00:41:06,769 --> 00:41:04,079 something to the effect that well if 919 00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:06,779 it's doing a thing like that which it is 920 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:09,710 not as it's normal food nothing there 921 00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:14,730 patterned to look at its prey then it's 922 00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:17,460 having maybe there are getting a lot of 923 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:20,670 them maybe the it's finding the going to 924 00:41:24,769 --> 00:41:22,890 tough competing with other male waltzer 925 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:24,779 that's very possible 926 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:28,230 yeah because it's hard to say but I'm 927 00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,930 I'm reading this thing and feeling bad 928 00:41:34,339 --> 00:41:32,460 for the boy and his family and at the 929 00:41:36,019 --> 00:41:34,349 same time thinking oh please let one of 930 00:41:37,609 --> 00:41:36,029 them have looked out the window of the 931 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:37,619 tent and seen it walking out at sign 932 00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:42,510 legs but unfortunately you know I should 933 00:41:48,799 --> 00:41:45,150 get so lucky well you know it does seem 934 00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:48,809 that a lot of the indigenous species and 935 00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:51,150 also some of these cryptids particular 936 00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:54,329 Bigfoot that they did seem from 937 00:41:58,940 --> 00:41:56,700 observations from witnesses that they 938 00:42:03,109 --> 00:41:58,950 kind of react differently than they had 939 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:03,119 in the past in other words you know Stan 940 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:04,890 Gordon was telling me about this a while 941 00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:08,010 back but there there's have been several 942 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:12,180 times when people see a they report that 943 00:42:17,059 --> 00:42:14,730 they see a Bigfoot and they're looking 944 00:42:20,260 --> 00:42:17,069 at this thing and the thing the Bigfoot 945 00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,270 actually realizes that it can be seen 946 00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:22,440 and reacts to it 947 00:42:30,859 --> 00:42:27,599 yep I mean like that's that's odd yeah 948 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:30,869 it's not how normal animals are right 949 00:42:34,819 --> 00:42:32,730 you know they'll they'll kind of look 950 00:42:36,529 --> 00:42:34,829 and assess whether they want to kill you 951 00:42:38,910 --> 00:42:36,539 or they want to chase you or you're just 952 00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:38,920 nothing and they should but you know 953 00:42:43,319 --> 00:42:40,260 just kind of go on their own way but 954 00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:43,329 yeah these other things a Bigfoot 955 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:46,630 there's their sussing you back I had now 956 00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,950 if you read this if you read my book you 957 00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,079 you know one of the last chapters I told 958 00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:53,200 about three consecutive sightings that I 959 00:42:58,589 --> 00:42:56,740 had in the same area of fields over the 960 00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,599 course of the year I had to wait 20 961 00:43:03,299 --> 00:43:00,880 years before I got sightings like this 962 00:43:06,299 --> 00:43:03,309 so people say well you you know 963 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:06,309 certainly she has no I haven't and I've 964 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:10,450 I wanted to but this particular one I 965 00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,700 was out for a morning hike and I had 966 00:43:15,299 --> 00:43:13,839 just brought out the door I thought I'm 967 00:43:17,849 --> 00:43:15,309 just gonna kind of take a class jog 968 00:43:19,410 --> 00:43:17,859 around and and come back and identity I 969 00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,420 did not have my phone with me I had 970 00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:22,240 nothing and I went up to where there was 971 00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:23,980 a field that I liked I liked to visit 972 00:43:28,259 --> 00:43:25,720 there was a path that went past it 973 00:43:29,819 --> 00:43:28,269 because there were cranes that nested 974 00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:29,829 right in the middle of that field and 975 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:32,460 there was like four foot grass around 976 00:43:35,849 --> 00:43:34,690 where that nuts was it didn't show you 977 00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:35,859 wouldn't know it was there 978 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:37,390 if you weren't there when the cranes 979 00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,250 while the cranes weren't no place to be 980 00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:42,160 seen but there was this thing sticking 981 00:43:48,779 --> 00:43:46,390 up it was a dark like charcoal black and 982 00:43:52,019 --> 00:43:48,789 it looked furry and my first thought was 983 00:43:54,059 --> 00:43:52,029 and it was round on top and my first you 984 00:43:55,289 --> 00:43:54,069 know you're trying you're catalogue 985 00:43:58,140 --> 00:43:55,299 inside you're not trying to think what 986 00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,150 it is and my first thought was a fence 987 00:44:02,039 --> 00:43:59,680 close to sometime but then I looked over 988 00:44:03,779 --> 00:44:02,049 at the fence posts and they were about a 989 00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:03,789 third of the size and they were gray and 990 00:44:08,609 --> 00:44:06,460 they were shorter and I looked back at 991 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,619 this big black round thing sticking up 992 00:44:13,049 --> 00:44:11,440 out of the meadow grass and I couldn't 993 00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:13,059 see its face because the Sun was kind of 994 00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:14,740 behind it it was early in the day and 995 00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,880 and it had hair hair kind of over 996 00:44:22,529 --> 00:44:20,079 hanging like its eyebrows so it's 997 00:44:25,289 --> 00:44:22,539 faceless was shadowed but it looked at 998 00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:25,299 me and it was like it was thinking oh 999 00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:28,660 crap she started and it started it just 1000 00:44:34,890 --> 00:44:33,160 slowly went straight down into what I 1001 00:44:36,809 --> 00:44:34,900 assume with the crouch down into the 1002 00:44:38,910 --> 00:44:36,819 grass until I could see it no longer but 1003 00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:38,920 it was right at the very spot where the 1004 00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:43,240 cranes had their nest so that makes a 1005 00:44:48,210 --> 00:44:44,859 lot of sense as to why it was there but 1006 00:44:51,539 --> 00:44:48,220 it was most definitely reacting to my 1007 00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:51,549 seeing it and knowing this yeah we I 1008 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:52,390 hear more 1009 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:54,730 that I mean all the time and it's like I 1010 00:45:00,079 --> 00:44:57,010 mean that's just something I had never 1011 00:45:02,339 --> 00:45:00,089 heard of a decade ago it's like you know 1012 00:45:03,690 --> 00:45:02,349 they would if they become aware you're 1013 00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:03,700 there they're gone they're not standing 1014 00:45:07,799 --> 00:45:05,380 there looking at you like and you can 1015 00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:07,809 see them looking at you like they're 1016 00:45:13,009 --> 00:45:10,990 shot that you can see them right bizarre 1017 00:45:15,269 --> 00:45:13,019 and yet you can well on that particular 1018 00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,279 there was the road right near there and 1019 00:45:20,609 --> 00:45:17,920 probably every day especially at rush 1020 00:45:22,769 --> 00:45:20,619 hour in the morning there would be car 1021 00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,779 after truck after car you know whizzing 1022 00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:24,880 by in the road and nobody probably would 1023 00:45:28,589 --> 00:45:26,430 see them because how often are you 1024 00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:28,599 staring around in the underbrush when 1025 00:45:35,460 --> 00:45:30,700 you're driving you know most people are 1026 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:35,470 not I got a dashcam on my car know just 1027 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:38,890 to prevent that very thing but yeah when 1028 00:45:44,009 --> 00:45:41,410 and and they're used to people just 1029 00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,019 rushing by and when somebody breaks our 1030 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:46,720 behavior code and stops and stares at 1031 00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:48,690 them well then they know they've got 1032 00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:54,960 now you route something else in a book 1033 00:45:58,170 --> 00:45:56,230 that kind of caught my eye was the 1034 00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,180 hidden little people and that's 1035 00:46:02,819 --> 00:46:00,880 interesting because I've been getting 1036 00:46:06,059 --> 00:46:02,829 reports out of northern Minnesota for a 1037 00:46:10,109 --> 00:46:06,069 couple years now about these little 1038 00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:10,119 people in the in the mass fern forest up 1039 00:46:16,589 --> 00:46:14,710 there and in northern Minnesota I don't 1040 00:46:19,859 --> 00:46:16,599 know if you it's part of something that 1041 00:46:21,870 --> 00:46:19,869 you have heard about but this is this is 1042 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:21,880 kind of an interesting subject to me 1043 00:46:26,759 --> 00:46:23,710 kind of tell me about what what you 1044 00:46:28,410 --> 00:46:26,769 talked about in the book well the thing 1045 00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,420 that surprised me when I started putting 1046 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:30,160 it all together was that mmm 1047 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:32,170 excuse me almost every place and time 1048 00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:34,930 has little people mmm and sometimes 1049 00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:36,609 they're talking about little spirit 1050 00:46:44,789 --> 00:46:41,640 beings fairy-type beings and other times 1051 00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:44,799 they're talking about what sounds like a 1052 00:46:51,299 --> 00:46:48,460 race of smaller humanoids or humans are 1053 00:46:53,789 --> 00:46:51,309 generally right when you think about it 1054 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:53,799 we know that there are sometimes very 1055 00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,690 small people that are very well 1056 00:47:01,620 --> 00:46:58,240 proportioned they used to be called 1057 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:01,630 midgets now they go by little people I 1058 00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:04,690 think maybe small small humans is is 1059 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:06,040 even better than that 1060 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:08,290 or just small people because then we 1061 00:47:14,310 --> 00:47:10,690 understand that they're us they're just 1062 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:14,320 long I know if anybody remembers I don't 1063 00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:16,450 from life but from reading about it 1064 00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:19,540 there was a circus small person named 1065 00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:22,780 Tom Thumb and I can correct me if I'm 1066 00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:25,120 wrong but I think he was only like 27 1067 00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:28,470 inches tall but he was in perfect 1068 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:33,160 proportion you know exactly and so and 1069 00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:36,370 yet he was human in every way and so 1070 00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,670 that's different but there also are what 1071 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:41,440 people understand because they're doing 1072 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:44,050 things like popping in and out of out of 1073 00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:47,890 the air they're doing little magic 1074 00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:51,990 tricks whatever that their spirit beings 1075 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:55,740 sometimes they are things that have 1076 00:48:00,540 --> 00:47:57,850 transformed from other things there's 1077 00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:00,550 one in Scotland that is supposed to 1078 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:04,540 transform from like a dwarf size to a 1079 00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:07,930 Bigfoot into an actual Bigfoot like it 1080 00:48:13,470 --> 00:48:12,190 yeah it's got this long uniformity or 1081 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:13,480 something like that I've got it written 1082 00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:15,490 somewhere I probably couldn't pronounce 1083 00:48:22,650 --> 00:48:18,550 it if I did have it in front of me and 1084 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:22,660 then the the Native Americans along the 1085 00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:24,370 the Bad Axe River and up by Lake 1086 00:48:30,450 --> 00:48:28,470 Superior they have these things 1087 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:30,460 scientists today call them concretions 1088 00:48:35,490 --> 00:48:33,370 they look like perfectly round little 1089 00:48:38,610 --> 00:48:35,500 concrete balls but they're supposedly 1090 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:38,620 naturally formed just by the way the 1091 00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:42,610 silt in the lake where wave action and I 1092 00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:45,190 I have one myself I got from a guy who 1093 00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,990 collected them although they're supposed 1094 00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:48,880 to belong to the bannocks people I am 1095 00:48:55,710 --> 00:48:52,240 going to be returned it but the idea 1096 00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:55,720 with these things is that each one has a 1097 00:49:02,400 --> 00:48:59,170 tiny inhabiting spirit within it hmm and 1098 00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,410 so they can also transform or do other 1099 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:04,960 things or you know I'm not sure what all 1100 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:06,970 they can do but there's something 1101 00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,010 special to them but you know you go to 1102 00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:11,680 Hawaii and you've got the Menehune you 1103 00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:16,960 go down into the heart of the lower 48 1104 00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:19,390 and you've got 1105 00:49:26,570 --> 00:49:23,260 but wedgies which probably my second 1106 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:26,580 favorite cryptid name compared to to 1107 00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:29,890 that Squatch and the poke wedgies are 1108 00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:33,550 very much like European style fairies 1109 00:49:37,950 --> 00:49:35,950 and elves and trolls in which they can 1110 00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:37,960 be good or they can be if you cross them 1111 00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:40,270 they can be very grumpy and you know 1112 00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,230 mess up your your buildings and you know 1113 00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:46,720 kind of just sabotage you in ways that 1114 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:50,020 small things would yeah so I go through 1115 00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:52,330 the whole thing and it's it's just 1116 00:49:58,110 --> 00:49:54,100 interesting to me how they're so 1117 00:50:00,660 --> 00:49:58,120 universal yeah yeah you do hear a lot of 1118 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:00,670 different stories occasionally I'll get 1119 00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:04,210 one that you know I'm like yeah it's 1120 00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,240 kind of for me to fathom I talked to 1121 00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:10,240 people and you know they they swear they 1122 00:50:16,350 --> 00:50:13,900 see these things and I don't know you 1123 00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:16,360 know the the small people isn't really 1124 00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:18,670 my genre but occasionally I'll get one 1125 00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:19,780 that interests me 1126 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:24,040 well there are small Bigfoot right and 1127 00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:26,170 of course you don't know if it's a 1128 00:50:30,990 --> 00:50:29,680 juvenile that would probably be my first 1129 00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:31,000 guess it's that especially if they were 1130 00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:33,880 tall ones near it but if you were just 1131 00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:37,270 saying as a little group of small ones 1132 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:39,670 you might think that they were the same 1133 00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:42,330 in the same way there are tall and small 1134 00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:44,920 humans there may be tall and small 1135 00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:48,310 Bigfoot yeah that's true you know before 1136 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:50,560 you go I do want to talk about something 1137 00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:51,970 that was in your book that I thought 1138 00:50:57,210 --> 00:50:54,550 very interesting was to heal wine flying 1139 00:51:01,470 --> 00:50:57,220 dog man what in the world is the old 1140 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:01,480 wine flying dog man yeah well this is 1141 00:51:06,810 --> 00:51:03,610 the one book that I really kind of 1142 00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:06,820 hemmed and hawed over putting it in the 1143 00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:09,640 book for a long time you know because I 1144 00:51:16,650 --> 00:51:12,880 had quite a bit to choose from and yet 1145 00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:16,660 the the theme of my book was how modern 1146 00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:20,020 sightings intertwine with and connect 1147 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:24,190 with ancient lore and legend and in this 1148 00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:29,290 particular incident there was a man who 1149 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:32,710 had and I hope I'm thinking I hope I'm 1150 00:51:34,770 --> 00:51:33,250 getting the 1151 00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:34,780 one you're talking about the one where 1152 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:37,000 he he was walking his dog and the spirit 1153 00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:41,290 dog came along right yeah so there was 1154 00:51:47,970 --> 00:51:46,180 this I probably probably should just 1155 00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:47,980 read it because it's a little complex no 1156 00:51:55,530 --> 00:51:50,110 but the gist of it is that he's out 1157 00:51:58,530 --> 00:51:55,540 walking his dog and this spirit dog 1158 00:52:01,500 --> 00:51:58,540 comes along morphs into a different 1159 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:01,510 species of dog and begins mating with 1160 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:06,210 his dog and it had come out of the sky 1161 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:10,210 now what made me think about it was gosh 1162 00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:12,970 almost every religion has something 1163 00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:17,680 about an exalted type of creature or 1164 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:19,720 person or entity or whatever coming out 1165 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:22,570 of the sky and mating with something 1166 00:52:28,140 --> 00:52:26,290 else on earth and to achieve their their 1167 00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:28,150 ends you know the Bible has that almost 1168 00:52:34,610 --> 00:52:31,300 every every major religion or many minor 1169 00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:34,620 ones as well and I thought here I've got 1170 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:40,000 an example of something like that and so 1171 00:52:44,580 --> 00:52:42,130 and when I talked I interviewed and 1172 00:52:46,050 --> 00:52:44,590 interviewed the person and they seemed 1173 00:52:49,470 --> 00:52:46,060 just sincere they didn't want anything 1174 00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:49,480 for it but the thing was that the his 1175 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:51,630 dog had gotten pregnant and he had 1176 00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:55,210 puppies - two puppies and he sent me a 1177 00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,680 photo of the puppies and he said there 1178 00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,480 they're really magnificent dogs there 1179 00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:00,400 they don't seem supernatural in any way 1180 00:53:06,090 --> 00:53:03,670 at least at that time they hadn't but I 1181 00:53:12,330 --> 00:53:06,100 put him in there because it just makes 1182 00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:12,340 you wonder if how that relates to so 1183 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:15,580 many of these other beliefs and Laura 1184 00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:17,650 and legends about this very same thing 1185 00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,780 is this the way they get started or you 1186 00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:21,280 know do things just come out of the sky 1187 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:23,710 and appear to meet with earthly 1188 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:25,930 creatures and if so why what would it 1189 00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:28,930 have gained and since it intrigued me 1190 00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:31,240 and interested me so much that I'm still 1191 00:53:35,850 --> 00:53:33,310 thinking about it like after a year and 1192 00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:35,860 many talks with this man I thought well 1193 00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:38,560 I'll let everybody else for me to figure 1194 00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:41,110 that out for themselves to think if they 1195 00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:44,800 what they think of it mmm you know it 1196 00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:47,080 kind of goes back to 1197 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:49,270 I don't know maybe a Chimaira or maybe 1198 00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:51,010 something like out of the Book of Enoch 1199 00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:54,070 and the angels coming down and breeding 1200 00:54:01,830 --> 00:53:58,480 with inhabitants on earth that's kind of 1201 00:54:03,870 --> 00:54:01,840 bizarre exactly the kind of thing I was 1202 00:54:06,590 --> 00:54:03,880 thinking about you know anymore and when 1203 00:54:08,730 --> 00:54:06,600 you get up into many other cultures 1204 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:08,740 sometimes you know there there's a whole 1205 00:54:13,770 --> 00:54:11,650 area of China where the people who live 1206 00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:13,780 there now believe that their ancestors 1207 00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:16,390 were descended by a meaning of a dog in 1208 00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:19,270 a human and you know they still have 1209 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:21,430 celebrations for that kind of thing so 1210 00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:24,490 um you know as far as and some 1211 00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,160 historical things going it's not unheard 1212 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:29,200 of this this is a dog mating with 1213 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:31,890 another dog so and puppies are produced 1214 00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:34,990 so I I just thought it fit the 1215 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:38,470 parameters of the book title in a way 1216 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:41,620 that no other story did so I'm kind of 1217 00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:43,210 waiting to see I'm hoping he keeps up 1218 00:54:47,420 --> 00:54:45,700 with me to keep track of those puppies 1219 00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:47,430 as they girl 1220 00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,760 so there's another there's another 1221 00:54:55,710 --> 00:54:53,920 cryptid that I have been getting reports 1222 00:54:58,860 --> 00:54:55,720 about and you wrote a little bit about 1223 00:55:00,180 --> 00:54:58,870 in a book or dear people and I and I 1224 00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,190 know it goes back to the indigenous 1225 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:03,040 people but what what exactly are dear 1226 00:55:14,010 --> 00:55:09,610 people well basically they are generally 1227 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:14,020 perceived as either deer standing up and 1228 00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:16,570 walking much like dog men except they're 1229 00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:19,990 Deerman with the antlers and and they 1230 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:21,820 have a deer head and they just walk 1231 00:55:25,740 --> 00:55:24,130 around on their hind legs and people 1232 00:55:27,810 --> 00:55:25,750 will mistake them for one of the stick 1233 00:55:30,090 --> 00:55:27,820 figure stickman at first when they seen 1234 00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:30,100 because the legs are so thin and they're 1235 00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,790 walking under their hooks you know so if 1236 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:35,920 it's just they they look very weird to 1237 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:37,450 see one running down the road but then 1238 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:39,850 there are other ones that seem to be 1239 00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:42,850 more like they remind people they remind 1240 00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,240 me of the water horse from Ireland where 1241 00:55:52,260 --> 00:55:49,440 there's like a beautiful horse and it 1242 00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:52,270 entraps people too into the water so 1243 00:55:58,020 --> 00:55:56,110 look again and one incident that wasn't 1244 00:56:00,210 --> 00:55:58,030 to me that I talked about in the book 1245 00:56:01,020 --> 00:56:00,220 was this these two guys were driving 1246 00:56:02,550 --> 00:56:01,030 late at night 1247 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:02,560 three in the morning and they saw this 1248 00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:04,090 beautiful woman standing by the side of 1249 00:56:10,830 --> 00:56:08,140 the road and one of them wanted to stop 1250 00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:10,840 and pick her up and the other one is 1251 00:56:16,020 --> 00:56:13,870 like no you know if she's out here at 3 1252 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:16,030 o'clock in the morning able to take care 1253 00:56:20,370 --> 00:56:17,890 of herself and you know my grandmother 1254 00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:20,380 said never stopped for a dear woman or a 1255 00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:23,590 dear man and so you get the feeling that 1256 00:56:35,730 --> 00:56:33,020 well the book is title I know what I saw 1257 00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:35,740 modern-day encounters with monsters of 1258 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:38,470 new urban legend in ancient lore and boy 1259 00:56:41,850 --> 00:56:39,850 that were wet covers at all over that 1260 00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:41,860 title I tell you and I'll tell you folks 1261 00:56:45,690 --> 00:56:43,660 get the book cause it's got all kinds of 1262 00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:45,700 strange things in there it's got stuff I 1263 00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:50,710 had never heard about and I wanna say is 1264 00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:53,920 Wow it's it's it's an amazing book thank 1265 00:56:59,730 --> 00:56:57,340 you so much yeah and Linda Godfrey calm 1266 00:57:02,730 --> 00:56:59,740 is we'll give them to pretty much 1267 00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:02,740 everything just my blog and if people 1268 00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:04,300 are interested about the film there's a 1269 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:06,460 two and a half minute trailer I'll just 1270 00:57:11,790 --> 00:57:08,890 go on YouTube or Facebook and put it in 1271 00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:11,800 return to wild Camp mountain just return 1272 00:57:17,580 --> 00:57:13,900 to Wildcat Mountain and it should take 1273 00:57:21,390 --> 00:57:17,590 you to the trailer for it so what else 1274 00:57:25,350 --> 00:57:21,400 do you have coming up in the future in 1275 00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:25,360 terms of books you mean or anything you 1276 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:28,150 can tell us I know you you mentioned you 1277 00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,610 had some fiction that some books you had 1278 00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:33,040 already got written in waiting to to 1279 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:35,800 have published I I do I do 1280 00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:40,210 I've got a couple of novels I have one 1281 00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:42,670 that's already co-published with my 1282 00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:44,140 agent that you can see on the website 1283 00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:48,400 it's called God Johnson the forbidden 1284 00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:51,310 diary and that should be easy to find 1285 00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:53,230 you just go to again Linda Godfrey calm 1286 00:58:02,040 --> 00:57:57,280 but I have two other fantasy novels and 1287 00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:02,050 I'm thinking of doing some more with the 1288 00:58:07,140 --> 00:58:03,880 dire dogs because there's there's a lot 1289 00:58:12,660 --> 00:58:07,150 more to really take up with these things 1290 00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,670 mm-hm yeah my wife rest her soul it's 1291 00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:14,799 red god Johnson said 1292 00:58:21,449 --> 00:58:18,400 years ago and she loved it so I do 1293 00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:21,459 highly recommend that book thank you I 1294 00:58:26,429 --> 00:58:23,369 appreciate it very much 1295 00:58:30,479 --> 00:58:26,439 so Linda thanks again for being on the 1296 00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:30,489 show and anytime you want to come on all 1297 00:58:36,479 --> 00:58:33,369 you gotta do is let me know okay I 1298 00:58:38,669 --> 00:58:36,489 appreciate that too I really do okay you 1299 00:58:42,329 --> 00:58:38,679 take care of now we'll talk soon thanks 1300 00:58:43,919 --> 00:58:42,339 and thanks to all your listeners now if 1301 00:58:46,380 --> 00:58:43,929 you have an unexplained encounter or 1302 00:58:49,169 --> 00:58:46,390 sighting feel free to contact me through 1303 00:58:51,329 --> 00:58:49,179 the families of monsters blog site my 1304 00:58:53,809 --> 00:58:51,339 new book alien disclosure experiencers 1305 00:58:56,219 --> 00:58:53,819 expose reality is available in 1306 00:58:58,679 --> 00:58:56,229 amazon.com just search my name launch 1307 00:59:01,469 --> 00:58:58,689 strickler and all my titles will appear 1308 00:59:03,929 --> 00:59:01,479 I want again thank Linda Godfrey for 1309 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:03,939 coming and on the this evening in 1310 00:59:08,009 --> 00:59:05,650 joining me and I want to thank you for 1311 00:59:18,740 --> 00:59:08,019 listening to the show good night and 1312 00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:31,380 [Music] 1313 00:59:31,390 --> 00:59:34,850 [Applause] 1314 01:00:31,480 --> 00:59:56,460 [Music]